ONLINE PERMANENT FAMILY VISA APPLICATION

Mar 26, 2015

ONLINE PERMANENT FAMILY VISA IN SAUDI ARABIA

This article is about "How to apply permanent family visa application online in Saudi Arabia through Ministry Of Interior (MOI) Family Visa Service application".





1. Before applying for permanent family visa online, Make sure your basic salary is above SR 4000/-.
ONLINE PERMANENT FAMILY VISA IN SAUDI ARABIA

 You should pay Permanent family visa fee SADAD payment (SR 2000/- per family) through your Internet banking or through your ATM card.

2. Once you deposited the permanent family visa fee, You can login to your MOI Abshir account and go to above "E-SERVICES" tab, Then click on "ISTIQDAM" from left menu and select "FAMILY VISA SERVICE".

 3. A new page with instructions for family visa service will appear, Read all instructions carefully and proceed with below button "NEW FAMILY VISA APPLICATION".





4. New family visa application will redirect you to a page where you can see your information like Name, Iqama details, Passport details, Religion, Mobile Number, Profession including your sponsor details. Once you check all you can click on below button "APPLY FOR FAMILLY VISA".
Online Permanent Family Visa Application
5. If you already paid family visa fee, Then application will let you proceed to enter details of your Salary, Level of Education, Date of Receiving Higher Level of Education, Major Subjects Studied.





Now you can add your Dependents or family members with their details like, Full Name (As in Passport), Nationality, Passport Number, Age, Religion, Relationship, Port of Boarding (City where visa will stamp).


6. Agree the terms and conditions by checking the box below and the click on "SUBMIT FAMILY VISA".

 Process After submitting Application Online :

1. On successful submission, Take a Printout of the application and get signed and stamped from Employer and approved by Chamber Of Commerce (COC) or Confirmed by Employer through Ministry Of Interior (MOI) Electronic portal as applicable and instructed in the confirmation message.

2. The Applicant should finish all formalities within 30 days from the date of submission, Else application will expire, In case of application expired, Applicant should submit new application again.





3. Once you get approval from Istiqdam, You will receive SMS with Visa information.

 4. Once you get approved SMS, login to your MOI account and print the application from there and send it to your family members for processing stamping.
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  1. IrshadMarch 26, 2015 at 11:08 PM

    Dear Sir,

    I applied for family pernment visa on MOI web site paid the visa fee. but there shown on (Your application cannot be processed .Because Istiqdam e-service business rules have not been covered).

    Family Visa Service
    • Your application cannot be processed .Because Istiqdam e-service business rules have not been covered.

    Applicant's Information
    Full name : M. Ikkkk. Nationality : pppppppp
    Iqama number : 00000 Iqama expiry date : 19-04-2016
    Passport No. : AB99999 Passport issue date : 31-05-2010
    Passport expiry date : 30-05-2015 Passport issue place : 304
    Religion : Islam Occupation : Computer Programmer
    Mobile number : 00000000

    Sponsor's Information
    Sponsor name : مكتب Sponsor type : Private Organization
    Sponsor Id Number : 111111111 Name of Approving Entity : Chamber of Commerce


    Please see above and let me know. Regard Irshad

    ReplyDelete
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    1. FarhanMarch 27, 2015 at 4:00 AM

      Few of professions are getting this error, In this "Computer Programmer" is one. Reasons not yet known, I request you to go through manual procedure through Istiqdam (not online).

      Delete
    2. Shakir MujtabaMarch 29, 2015 at 6:50 AM

      THANKS, NOW COMPUTER PROGRAMMER CAN APPLY

      Delete
    3. FarhanMarch 29, 2015 at 12:35 PM

      Yes, Now its open for more professions, And error messages are in detail.

      Delete
    4. Michael ItliongApril 8, 2015 at 12:54 AM

      Did you get a successful application for computer programmer profession?

      Delete
    5. Michael ItliongApril 8, 2015 at 12:55 AM

      Did you get a successful application for computer programmer profession?

      Delete
    6. shaik mohiuddinApril 9, 2015 at 12:45 AM

      Dear friend
      same issue with my friend after few days that message was disable and he s uccessfully aplied his iqama prof computer programer

      Delete
  2. Adnan GhufranMarch 27, 2015 at 5:54 PM

    Salam, I have already paid the amount, but unable to start the application. There is an error " Your sponsor is not added to Istakdam visa application you need to visit Istakdaam office" I went to Istakdam office and called MOI but they have no idea, have any one face the same issue ? Any solution?

    ReplyDelete
  3. Adnan GhufranMarch 27, 2015 at 5:57 PM

    Salam, I have already paid the amount, but unable to submit the application. have received an error " Your sponsor is not added to Istakdam visa application you need to visit Istakdaam office " I went to Istakdam office and called MOI but they have no idea, have any one face the same issue? any solution pls

    ReplyDelete
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    1. FarhanMarch 29, 2015 at 4:07 AM

      Ask your sponsor, Or go through manual procedure instead of online.

      Delete
    2. Husnain AliMarch 29, 2015 at 7:46 AM

      Manual Procedure ???

      Delete
    3. Husnain AliMarch 29, 2015 at 7:46 AM

      Manual Procedure

      Delete
    4. Adnan GhufranApril 1, 2015 at 2:47 PM

      I went to Istakdam office and as per Istakdam Officer, Most of the profession are not yet added in system and this is the reason of this error, and you need to apply manually and you will get it easily.

      Delete
    5. FarhanApril 2, 2015 at 3:22 AM

      Thanks for updating info.

      Delete
  4. Shakir MujtabaMarch 28, 2015 at 1:29 PM

    Salam Alaikum, I am Science Graduate (Physics, Chemistry, Mathematics), I am working as Computer Programmer, Please advice me which Profession is suitable for me that is eligible for Permanent Family Visa in Saudi Arab and that Profession in Occupation List of Online visa Service, Because of Computer Programmer is not in list of Online Permanent Family Visa Service

    ReplyDelete
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    1. FarhanMarch 29, 2015 at 4:07 AM

      For now it is not allowing, But in coming days it will surely allow, "Computer programmer" is really good profession, your professions should be same as you work. However you can apply manually for permanent family visa.

      Delete
    2. AnonymousApril 1, 2015 at 7:44 AM

      am facing the same error msg

      Dear Farhan,
      How can we get an appointment to apply manually.
      Iam trying since a week every 2 3 minute all the day but no appointment available.

      Delete
    3. FarhanApril 5, 2015 at 12:14 AM

      As per users experience, Its easy available on Sunday 7.30 AM to 8.30 Am, How ever i request you to keep checking again and again.

      Delete
  5. CTSMarch 29, 2015 at 5:07 AM

    Hi Sir

    my profession is communication technician
    but i don't have original certificate
    need original certificate for family visa ?

    ReplyDelete
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    1. FarhanApril 2, 2015 at 3:28 AM

      Apply online application, And check whether it asks you to visit istiqdam or it will allow you to submit online. If it allows you online, then no need of certificates.

      Delete
    2. shaik mohiuddinApril 9, 2015 at 12:46 AM

      now they have added computer programmer in there list.

      Delete
  6. RizwanMarch 29, 2015 at 7:25 AM

    Thank you for the great information. I just want to know if I apply online and get confirmation SMS and also the cofirmation on MOI website. As you said that we can send this confimation home for visa stamping. But in this case what will happen to the documents like company letter, translated and attested degree, then attested and translated marriage certficate that was supposed to be presented to the istiqdam officer while applying for family visa? We dont need it anywhere?
    Regards,

    ReplyDelete
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    1. FarhanMarch 29, 2015 at 12:34 PM

      For online permanent family visa it is not requiring for everyone, But for few professions they will ask to visit istiqdam with required documents.

      Delete
    2. muhammad waleedMarch 30, 2015 at 6:26 AM

      hello dear,
      my Ikama profession is "Marketing Specialist"
      can i get family visa with this profession?

      kindly guide me

      Delete
    3. Shafi ShareefMarch 30, 2015 at 12:01 PM

      assalamualaikm my wife is on visit visa in saudi i want make it permanent visa what is the procedure its possible or not possible and my profession is architect draftman plzzzzzzzzzzz reply my soooonnn

      Delete
    4. FarhanApril 2, 2015 at 3:31 AM

      I am not sure on that.

      Delete
  7. muhammad waleedMarch 30, 2015 at 6:26 AM

    Hello dear,
    My Ikama profession is "Marketing Specialist"
    can i get family visa with this profession?

    kindly guide me

    ReplyDelete
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    1. shahid javeidMarch 31, 2015 at 2:00 AM

      Yes dear, I have same profession and I met to ISTEQDAM manager. He told me "Marketing Specialist" is eligible to apply. But not yet covered under ISTEQDAM business rules. Shortly it will open for application. But don't have idea how long it will take.

      Delete
    2. shamsheer samApril 5, 2015 at 12:50 AM

      aslamu alikum
      even im geting same error msg pls update if any progress for this profesion

      Delete
    3. shah umairApril 7, 2015 at 7:34 AM

      Sir my iqama profession is plant operator can i get family visa

      Delete
    4. shah umairApril 7, 2015 at 7:40 AM

      My iqama is plant operator can i get visa

      Delete
    5. shah umairApril 7, 2015 at 7:41 AM

      My iqama is plant operator can i get visa anybody can help me

      Delete
    6. shah umairApril 7, 2015 at 7:46 AM

      My iqama is plant operator can i get visa anybody can help me

      Delete
  8. Shafi ShareefMarch 30, 2015 at 12:00 PM

    assalamualaikm my wife is on visit visa in saudi i want make it permanent visa what is the procedure its possible or not possible and my profession is architect draftman plzzzzzzzzzzz reply my soooonnn

    ReplyDelete
  9. Shakir MujtabaMarch 30, 2015 at 9:51 PM

    Please check Online Istiqdam Service

    ReplyDelete
  10. shahid javeidMarch 31, 2015 at 2:16 AM

    Dear Admin, did the condition of educational degree still exist or have been removed. As i knew from ISTEQDAM manager that "this condition will be no more effected". Is it ture ??. And why this condition is there to be live with your families?. Shariah asks for marriage contract to live with your wife not degrees or diplomas. My occupation is not according to my certificates. Because my line got changed according to situations in KSA. My company didn't haired me on my educational basis but my working skills. My salary is now 6,000+ , but because of this nonsense rule i can't keep my wife and children with me. We are living away from families for years and years. Isn't against the ISLAM and SHARIAH ???????????

    ReplyDelete
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    1. FarhanApril 2, 2015 at 3:32 AM

      If your online application is successful, then no need of certificates.

      Delete
  11. Mohammed Adil QadriMarch 31, 2015 at 10:37 PM

    Assalam Alaikum,

    Hello Experts, This is Mohammed Adil working as a Procurement Manager, but on my Iqama Professional has mentioned (Computer Network Technician) Can anyone let me know, If I will Apply by Istaqdam online service, is their chance to get the Visa & really appreciate to all of you for Proper Guidance.

    Best Regards

    ReplyDelete
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    1. FarhanApril 1, 2015 at 3:53 AM

      You can try yourself by logging into your MOI abshir account, And try to apply, Check whether it will allow you or it will give you some error with instructions to follow.

      Delete
    2. Mohammed Adil QadriApril 1, 2015 at 6:43 AM

      Thanks for the Prompt reply, Can u Please let me know I am Eligible for the Same or not.

      Best Regards

      Delete
    3. FarhanApril 2, 2015 at 3:32 AM

      Please try to check online by logging into MOI abshir account.

      Delete
  12. AnonymousApril 1, 2015 at 1:40 AM

    Asalamu alaykom.

    can any body to help me, I filled up the ful name as in pasport but when i click the confirm tab. the error is " the names is in different language" can any body help me!!!

    ReplyDelete
  13. Mukul KajwadkarApril 1, 2015 at 6:40 AM

    Assalam alaikum

    Hello Experts, This is Mukul Kajwadkar working as Production Manager but on my iqama they mentioned (Production Mechanic Technician), Please let me know I am eligible for the Family Permanent Visa or not.

    Thanks

    ReplyDelete
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    1. FarhanApril 2, 2015 at 3:33 AM

      Login to your MOI account and check if it is allowing you to apply online or not.

      Delete
  14. Raheel AhmadApril 1, 2015 at 7:51 AM

    What will be the validity for this visa I mean in how much time I should stamp the visa on the passport of my wife ?

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    1. FarhanApril 2, 2015 at 3:26 AM

      This comment has been removed by the author.

      Delete
    2. Raheel AhmadApril 2, 2015 at 4:35 AM

      Because on the website of the mofa it is still written one year why I am asking about validity because I am planning to bring my wife right after hajj and I don't know whether after ramazan visa service will be open or closed.
      Waiting for your reply sir :)

      Delete
    3. FarhanApril 5, 2015 at 12:17 AM

      1 year for stamping through embassy, 3 months for travel once stamped.

      Delete
    4. Raheel AhmadApril 5, 2015 at 2:11 AM

      Thanks

      Delete
    5. Raheel AhmadApril 5, 2015 at 11:55 AM

      Thanks

      Delete
  15. naoman akramApril 1, 2015 at 10:26 AM

    hi

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  16. naoman akramApril 1, 2015 at 10:28 AM

    i have mechanical technician in my iqama as profession but i have civil engineering degree completely attested from saudi embassy and saudi culture office, can i get family visa with this iqama profession and degree.
    plz reply
    regards

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    1. FarhanApril 2, 2015 at 3:24 AM

      You can proceed with online application, To know whether your profession requires documents or not for applying permanent family visa.

      Delete
  17. jude ralph villarinApril 1, 2015 at 7:41 PM

    good day sir. I already submitted the online application of family visa through my MOI account. it was written to print the application and get it signed and stamped by the sponsor and it is done. next is to be approved by the COC.(First question sir, COC in my place here in Al Khafji? or COC in the eastern province in Dammam?) I already went to COC office here in my place in Al Khafji and they said it has to be in Dammam. second option the the application is to confirmed by sponsor through MOI electronic portal as applicable and instructed in the confirmation message.(second question sir, my sponsor should also have an MOI account for them to confirm my application? or we can use my own MOI account to confirm my application?) How about the original documents sir? How can i submit my original documents to them? Should I go to the jawasat office personally to submit it? or is it through my MOI account? how can i do that? And lastly sir, more or less how many days i should wait for the approval of my application? Please guide me sir. Thank you so much

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    1. FarhanApril 2, 2015 at 3:19 AM

      Your Chamber Of Commerce (COC) is where your sponsor is registered.
      Your sponsor may have separate account for MOI to confirm your application.
      As of now, No need to submit documents or anything, if you do online. MOI is approving applications same day or next day by sending approved SMS.

      Delete
    2. jude ralph villarinApril 2, 2015 at 6:23 AM

      So it means that if they did not send any sms message it seems that my visa application was not approved? approved or disapproved they will send sms to me?

      Delete
    3. FarhanApril 2, 2015 at 10:55 AM

      You can check your status by logging to your MOI abshir account. SMS will come after approved from COC.

      Delete
    4. jude ralph villarinApril 2, 2015 at 11:34 AM

      Thank you so much for the information... I really appreciate it..

      Delete
    5. Raheel AhmadApril 4, 2015 at 1:15 AM

      How did you pay the fees I have paid the fees but it say fees not yet paid

      Delete
    6. FarhanApril 5, 2015 at 12:18 AM

      May be you paid under another service.

      Delete
  18. BABAJAN SHAIKApril 2, 2015 at 5:41 AM

    Dear Sir,
    I have 2 questions.
    Q1. If dependent name having only to fill 2 boxes, the remaining 2 boxes what can we mention?
    Q2. And the last 2 boxes can we put husband name?

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    1. BABAJAN SHAIKApril 2, 2015 at 11:24 AM

      Thank you very much for your prompt replay,
      I have another doubt,
      my wife name as AZIZA THABASSUM in her passport. My name as BABAJAN PASUPULETI.
      To fill the 4 fields in MOI application submission can I try like as AZIZA THABASSUM BABAJAN PASUPULRTI (or) AZIZA THABASSUM PASUPULETI "." (or) AZIZA THA BA SSUM.
      Which one is correct?
      I will be thank full for your prompt response.

      Delete
    2. Rasheed AhmedApril 3, 2015 at 4:18 AM

      Farhan,
      My Employer paid the fees and I have successfully submited the application for permanent Family Visa online on MOI website.
      So the next step is to sign the application by Emploer and COC.
      Once its signed by Employer and COC. What should I do to the signed Application form?? Shall I have to submit it Istiqdam office or what??

      Please advise.

      Delete
    3. Rasheed AhmedApril 3, 2015 at 4:22 AM

      Farhan,
      My Employer paid the fees and I have successfully submited the application for permanent Family Visa online on MOI website.
      So the next step is to sign the application by Emploer and COC.
      Once its signed by Employer and COC. What should I do to the signed Application form?? Shall I have to submit it Istiqdam office or what??

      Please advise.

      Delete
    4. FarhanApril 5, 2015 at 12:22 AM

      Once its approved from COC, You will get SMS about your visa details. Then you can take print out from MOI account.

      Delete
  19. Sidhan KhanApril 3, 2015 at 5:30 AM

    Hello Experts,

    My profession is "General Electrition" in my Iqama. Can i get a family visa from online...?
    Waiting for your valuable reply

    Thank You.

    ReplyDelete
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    1. FarhanApril 5, 2015 at 12:24 AM

      Dear Sidhan, I request you to go to your MOI Abshir account and try apply for permanent family visa application, If the application allows you, then you are eligible.

      Delete
  20. Sidhan KhanApril 3, 2015 at 5:34 AM

    Hello Experts,

    My Profession is "General Electrition" in my Iqama. This profession is eligible for family visa...?
    Awaiting for your valuable reply.

    Thank You.

    ReplyDelete
  21. Raheel AhmadApril 3, 2015 at 8:36 AM

    I have submitted the SADAD visa fees but still it says you haven't submitted the visa fees why ?

    ReplyDelete
  22. sexy storyApril 3, 2015 at 11:43 PM

    I am working ministry of health as staff nurse, I have taken visit visa for mother in law and father in law but mistakenly it was wrote Down mother and father visa is issued but written as mother and father kindly give suggestion whether there will be any problem for them to come in this visa. Whether i need to cancel this visa.

    ReplyDelete
  23. Raheel AhmadApril 4, 2015 at 10:01 AM

    I AM GETTING THIS ERROR WHILE SUBMITTING THE FORM

    AC3117E: Name is in different language

    What does this mean ?

    ReplyDelete
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    1. BABAJAN SHAIKApril 5, 2015 at 6:18 AM

      Don't put any dots"." because system will not accept. use all fields with your dependent name and your name as passport.

      Delete
    2. Raheel AhmadApril 6, 2015 at 12:12 AM

      I did the same and it worked. Thanks

      Delete
    3. boneyApril 6, 2015 at 1:17 AM

      You have to put a hyphen or dash. That is "-"

      Please do NOT put dots!!!

      Delete
  24. boneyApril 6, 2015 at 1:16 AM

    Thank you for your wonderfully informative article. I was able to successfully submit my application today. However, if you could clarify a couple of things it would be very helpful.
    1) How long after the CoC attestation does the MOI usually send an approval/rejection SMS?
    2) You have mentioned that all "formalities" must be completed within 30 days of submitting the application. What are these "formalities"? I was under the impression that once the application is attested, we just have to wait for MOI's SMS? Is there something else that we need to do? Like submitting any documents to the Istiqdam?

    Once again, thank you for your incredibly helpful article.

    ReplyDelete
  25. shoaib javedApril 6, 2015 at 4:50 AM

    Thank you for this article.
    I would like to know the list of relationships allowed on this portal.
    I am looking to apply for my mother, father and unmarried sister.
    Looking forward for your reply.

    ReplyDelete
  26. shoaib javedApril 6, 2015 at 4:50 AM

    Thank you for this article.
    I would like to know the list of relationships allowed on this portal.
    I am looking to apply for my mother, father and unmarried sister.
    Looking forward for your reply.

    ReplyDelete
  27. shoaib javedApril 6, 2015 at 4:52 AM

    Thanks for the great article.

    I would like to know the relationship offered by this portal.
    As i am looking to apply for my Mother, Father and Unmarried sister.
    Is it possible?

    Looking forward to you reply.
    Thanks Again.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Raheel AhmadApril 6, 2015 at 11:56 AM

      When I was applying I saw only three relationships in the drop down menu. Wife, son and daughter.

      Delete
  28. imran gujjarApril 6, 2015 at 6:30 AM

    Hello,

    My IQAMA profession is "Marketing Specialist" while i am receiving a message ("Your application cannot be processed; because it does not fulfill Istiqdam e-service business rules." You can book an appointment with Istiqdam and submit your occupation to be studied manually. To Book an appointment, please click here (Istiqdam appointments system)) when i am try to apply family Visa.
    Please Advice ?

    ReplyDelete
  29. imran gujjarApril 6, 2015 at 6:31 AM

    Hello,

    My IQAMA profession is "Marketing Specialist" while i am receiving a message ("Your application cannot be processed; because it does not fulfill Istiqdam e-service business rules." You can book an appointment with Istiqdam and submit your occupation to be studied manually. To Book an appointment, please click here (Istiqdam appointments system)) when i am try to apply family Visa.
    Please Advice ?

    ReplyDelete
  30. shah umairApril 7, 2015 at 7:36 AM

    My iqama is plant operator can i get visa family

    ReplyDelete
  31. Mohammed Shakeeb uddinApril 8, 2015 at 1:25 AM

    Dear Brother, I already got Permanent Visa Allhamdulilah, please let me know how many months do we have validity of visa before endorsement and after endorsement.

    ReplyDelete
  32. Mohammed Shakeeb uddinApril 8, 2015 at 1:25 AM

    Dear Brother, I already got Permanent Visa Allhamdulilah, please let me know how many months do we have validity of visa before endorsement and after endorsement.

    ReplyDelete
  33. Mohammed Shakeeb uddinApril 8, 2015 at 1:26 AM

    Dear Brother, I already got Permanent Visa Allhamdulilah, please let me know how many months do we have validity of visa before endorsement and after endorsement.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Raheel AhmadApril 8, 2015 at 10:04 AM

      https://www.eserve.com.sa/VVSWeb/actions/changeLang.do?lang=e&action=vvs

      Please check it here also let me know about the validity of your visa

      Delete
  34. Sad RonyApril 9, 2015 at 12:22 PM

    i am fanny karabai, can i got family visa pls replay me

    ReplyDelete
  35. Sad RonyApril 9, 2015 at 12:29 PM

    me also same but some body tell me may be got ,or may be not got but better to make fanny karabai------now ur profession karabai aam

    ReplyDelete
  36. Mohsin NawazApril 10, 2015 at 11:18 PM

    dear please could we talk on phone to discuss in details.
    my no is 0531387288.

    ReplyDelete
  37. Mohsin NawazApril 10, 2015 at 11:25 PM

    Dear Friends, I have applied for online permanent family visa.
    i attested the same form by chamber of commerce.
    the status of my application is as"approved" with one visa no which is follow up no.
    i did not receive any message until now since i applied on 7th of April.
    please does anybody know what is the next procedure now.
    some blogs said now request will be reviewed by MOFA and they will make the visa as online. is it true ??


    please help and if could call on 0531387288 it would be great.

    ReplyDelete
  38. Garam KalApril 10, 2015 at 11:46 PM

    Please reply me as a head baker can I apply for family visa in Saudi

    ReplyDelete
  39. Ashaf AlloorApril 11, 2015 at 5:52 AM

    Dear Friends, I have applied for online permanent family visa.
    I attested the same form by chamber of commerce.
    the status of my application is as"approved" with one visa no which is follow up no. I received approved message from MOI. please does anybody know what is the next procedure now.

    ReplyDelete
  40. Ashaf AlloorApril 11, 2015 at 9:47 AM

    Dear Friends, I have applied for online permanent family visa.
    i attested the same form by chamber of commerce.
    the status of my application is as"approved" with one visa no which is follow up no. I received approved message and visa no from MOI.
    please does anybody know what is the next procedure now.

    ReplyDelete
  41. SAUDI EXPATRIATESNovember 8, 2017 at 12:05 PM

    Read this article

    http://saudi-expatriates.blogspot.com/2015/04/permanent-family-visa-status-moi.html

    ReplyDelete
  42. SAUDI EXPATRIATESNovember 8, 2017 at 12:05 PM

    Read this article for further process
    http://saudi-expatriates.blogspot.com/2015/04/permanent-family-visa-status-moi.html

    ReplyDelete
  43. EEEFebruary 17, 2018 at 10:01 PM

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